Imagination or Reality?
I am really glad I found this website. I’ve had an ongoing issue now for about 5 months, maybe longer, and I’m hoping someone here can help me because I haven’t had the courage to ask any of my friends. This has been going on for so long that I think I will explode if I don’t get some advice soon.
V. and I are both in our early 20s and graduating from college this week. I’ve known her for about 1.5 years now, but we only got really close about 8 months ago. My last year of college was quite eventful, to say the least. At the beginning of the semester, I found out that my boyfriend of 10 months had been cheating on me for a really long time. He was, in all honesty, my first love, and I cared about him a lot. Long story short, I didn’t find out that he had been cheating on me until about a month after we’d broken up. While we were breaking up, he was extremely emotionally manipulative and lied about pretty much everything. He basically made me think that I was the cause of his emotional instability, and that was the reason we had to break up. But the entire time, he just wanted to break up so he could be with the other girl. Anyway, as you can imagine, this took a tremendous emotional and psychological toll on my life. I became very distrustful and skeptical of all the guys I met, and I also beat myself up a lot for not realizing what he had been doing to me earlier. In other words, I was in really bad shape.
A few days after I’d found out about my ex-boyfriend’s infidelity, I received an online message from V., asking how my grad school exams went and if I’d wanted to grab a drink some time to catch up, since we hadn’t seen each other for a few months. I told her I would love to catch up with her, which we did, and had a great two-hour conversation. We’d always gotten along very well, ever since we met, because our senses of humor are really similar, and we’re both pretty spontaneous people. Given the emotional and psychological state I was in, I was more spontaneous than usual. I felt hurt and vulnerable after my ex-boyfriend, and I wanted to do everything I could to forget that it had ever happened, but even more, I wanted to show the world that I was strong enough to overcome the pain. Thus, when V. suggested a week later to hit the neighborhood bars, I was more than willing to go with her. I wanted to show the world, as well as myself, that I was emotionally strong enough to keep dating (which I, by far, was not). However, for the next two months, we hit the bars and flirted with guys together. We came home drunk every weekend, laughing the next morning about the crazy antics we had gotten ourselves into. It was a whirlwind adventure, and exactly what I needed to keep my mind off of the pain and anger from which I was still recovering.
During the week, when we weren’t out getting drunk, we would call, text, and talk to each other online several times a day. We would eat dinner and study together. We spent so much together that we often joked around that we were “married.” However, I never felt anything more than friendship for her. I’ve been straight my whole life, and maybe occasionally I’ll think a girl is attractive, but I would never think of doing anything sexual with her. And for all I know, V. is straight as well, and comes from a conservative culture that would never condone homosexuality. Granted, I thought (and still think) that V. is extremely attractive, and she has a very strong personality, which attracts many people, including myself. V., naturally, is a strong-minded, confident, and even obstinate person, but at the same time, she is insecure and unsure of herself when it comes to guys. Several times after we would come home from the bars (we live in the same building), we would talk about relationships and men, and it was clear that she was confused and even disappointed in herself for the flirting and kissing of random drunk men. But at the same time, she would say that she felt very empowered when she was kissing a guy or having sex with him. For her, she felt she was gaining power over a man when she could make him “vulnerable” in bed, and when she knew she could please him very well. It wasn’t something I agreed with, but I listened anyway. Additionally, we would always laugh it off as our “embracing youth” and “empowering ourselves.” At this point, we had grown very close and saw each other pretty much everyday, but nothing ever led me to believe that what we had was more than friendship. Maybe joked around a lot about our “relationship,” but to my knowledge, nothing we said or did for one another constituted flirting or otherwise.
On the last day of classes last semester, V. and I decided to go to our favorite bar in the neighborhood to celebrate. It was just like any other night, until a guy approached us to do some stupid magic card trick. He wanted us to have him guess what card what we held, and he guessed wrong, V. and I would have to kiss one another. We were already kind of tipsy by then, and like I mentioned, we’re both spontaneous people, so we knew we were going to lose, but we agreed to it anyway. So, there we were kissing in front of a group of guys at the bar for a good 15 seconds. We immediately laughed it off and joked about what a good kisser the other person was. I didn’t think much of it, until we returned to our building at the end of the night. V. and I were on the phone in our respective apartments laughing about the guys we’d met at the bar earlier, like we always did. I laughed and joked about the 15-second kiss and said it was really fun and exciting, since I’d never kissed a girl before. To my surprise, V. said, “Well, why don’t you come up to my place and we can kiss again?” I hesitated a little, but was just really excited in general about the whole prospect, so I agreed. I went up to her place, and she took me into her room and on to her bed. At first it was really awkward, and we laughed a lot before we could actually begin kissing. We weren’t even drunk at this point, by the way. Finally, she told me to just pretend like I was “kissing a guy” and to just “go for it.” We would kiss for maybe 10 seconds at a time, and then I would get really uncomfortable and have to stop it. But she pushed on, and even told me to take my shirt off at one point, but I refused. She would want to touch my breasts or my legs, but I would tell her not to because it made me feel really uncomfortable, and I wouldn’t be able to continue. Occasionally, she would laugh at me and say, “You can’t even look me in the eyes! Come on, just pretend like I’m a guy. Try to get into it!” Eventually, I did get more comfortable, and really turned on, but I still wouldn’t touch her in any other way, and I also wouldn’t let her touch me besides my face or arms. As I said, she is a very strong-minded person and has a dominant personality, so she really took control when we were on her bed. At first I was on top of her, but gradually, as we were still kissing, she flipped me on to my back, and began to kiss my neck. It felt so good, and I told her this, as she was kissing my neck. She would laugh sensuously and say, “Yeah, I’m good, right?” It started to feel so good that I almost wanted to touch her elsewhere, but I stopped myself because I got scared. I was excited and scared at the same time, but I just couldn’t go through with it. It got really late into the night, and we parted on friendly terms. We laughed about it and said good night.
The next morning, she texted me, jokingly, “Good morning, girlfriend!” At this point, I still thought of V. as a friend and nothing more. But at the same time, I was really excited about this new thing we seemed to be trying, and in reality, I was eager for more. I called her back, and we talked like normal, but I mentioned how cool and fun the night before was, and casually asked if we could do it again. V. immediately said “No, that was a one time thing.” Part of me thought that she was joking (since we’d had so many borderline homosexual jokes), so I joked back, “Oh c’mon! It was fun!” But she said no, and I didn’t ask again. For the next week or so, her behavior changed a lot. It changed in such a drastic fashion that I really didn’t know how to interpret it at the time. We had finals that week, so we were both really busy, but when I would call or text her, she would ignore them, which she never did, even when we were busy during other times of the semester. As I mentioned, we would call and text each other several times a day, so when she wasn’t responding, I started to feel really weird, almost like a stalker. At one point, she called me suddenly, and yelled at me over the phone, saying she felt like she was “in a relationship” with me, since I was texting and calling so much. I was really shocked, so I backed off, but I didn’t think our friendship was over. I just figured that she was really stressed out with schoolwork.
However, from that night on, I could not get her out of my head. For some reason, I had gotten so attracted to her after that night, and all I wanted to do was be near her. I didn’t even want to do anything sexual with her. I started to take a second look at all the comments she made jokingly about our “relationship” in the past. Was she really joking? She was awful flirtatious when she left those messages on my Facebook wall about us sharing everything together like a couple. Before I thought her messages were witty and clever, but now I felt that they were witty and flirtatious. I started to think maybe she had been interested, but I wasn’t sure. In any case, I wasn’t looking to start a relationship or anything beyond friendship; I just wanted to keep exploring. It excited me to know that maybe there was a spark between us.
After finals, we had a month-long break from school. When we returned, I could tell that she was trying to distance herself from me, because she wasn’t returning my occasional texts or emails anymore even. In fact, she wasn’t even online anymore, which led me to believe that she had blocked me. When I confronted her to see if she was doing ok, she told me that she had been busy with family issues, and that she hadn’t really been hanging out with anyone really. But it was really hard for me believe since I could see from her Facebook profile that she’d had plenty of contact with other friends and had been going out pretty often with other people. Nonetheless, I tried to be supportive about it. However, on two occasions, I got really drunk, and texted her to tell her that she was “really good at kissing my neck,” because I couldn’t stop thinking about it. She never texted back. But I started to obsess over her. I just wanted to be her friend again, and to hang out the way we did before. Every time I went into the neighborhood stores or restaurants, I would scan for her. Even if we didn’t repeat that night, I really just wanted to be near her. But she completely distanced herself from me. Every time I saw her on the street or on campus, she would act really distant and awkward, like she didn’t know what to say to me. It was like we could not hold normal conversations anymore; everything was superficial and meaningless. I even asked her on two separate occasions, over Facebook message, if what happened that night had anything to do with her distancing herself from me, but she said it wasn’t and that it really was because she was having problems with her family. This explanation just never sat well with me, because it was clear to me that she wasn’t distancing herself from anybody else. In fact, wouldn’t you want to confide in your friend if you were having issues, rather than pulling away?
Anyway, after about three months, I gave up on trying to be her friend again, and just decided to move on. About a month later, I randomly received a text message from her at around midnight. She told me that she was downtown getting drunk and “trying to be sexy.” I texted back in a friendly manner, and told her to have lots of fun. It was clear in her message that she was not sober. A few minutes later, I received the text, “t7k, life is not fun without you.” I was surprised. I hadn’t expected her to say anything like that. She had worked so hard to distance herself from me for four months that the last thing I would think was that she actually missed me, as a friend or not. I texted back and told her to get home safely. I didn’t see her for a few weeks, and we never discussed anything, but that text reignited the fire inside of me. Again, I could not get her out of my mind, and all I wanted to do was see her and be near her. When I did finally see her, I thought maybe we could be friends again. Our interactions, however, were so awkward, and she seemed so uncomfortable even talking to me, that finally I decided to give up. In fact, I sent her an e-mail one day, telling her everything that I’d thought. I thanked her for being a good friend to me during a difficult time after my relationship, and I told her she was a good friend, and that she meant a lot to me. I told her I regretted that night so much, because if I’d known that it would’ve come to this, I would never have agreed to it. She replied the next day saying that maybe that night had something to do with the end of our friendship, but she sad it was not “the deciding factor.” She thanked me for my email and said maybe we could rebuild the friendship after graduation. I wrote her back, sadly, about how she was one of my closest friends in the city, and that I had considered her one of my family members, since my own family lived so far away, and I told her hopefully we could rebuild this friendship some day. I added that even though things ended so poorly between us, I would always be her friend if she needed me, even if it was 10 years from now.
I had expected her to write back making the same pledge, as a real friend, but she didn’t. I felt incredibly hurt and vulnerable, and it brought back the same emotions that I felt when I felt betrayed by my ex-boyfriend. Finally, I got really angry because this entire time, I felt like I hadn’t done anything wrong. She was the one who asked me to go up to her apartment that night. She was the one who wanted me to touch her and to take off our clothes. And she was the one who distanced herself from me, and pretty much ended our friendship. And yet, she had the nerve not to be a considerate person at the end to even offer a friendly ending. I wrote my last e-mail to her telling her that for someone who fucked up a friendship the way she did, she was ungrateful and inconsiderate, and that I never wanted to speak to her again. Looking back, I realize this was a drastic measure, but if I hadn’t cut off our communications like this, I don’t think I would ever be able to get over her. This was about 3 weeks ago, and we haven’t spoken since. Even when we’ve run into each other in the neighborhood, we just pretend like we don’t know one another. Even now, I think about her almost everyday, and wish so badly that I could be her friend again and to be near her again.
I don’t know really know how to interpret everything that has happened in the last 8 months with V. I wonder if the reason why I am still so attached to her even though she has treated me so poorly is because I have a positive association with her friendship since I’d been going through a rough patch in my life after my previous relationship. At the same time, I feel more strongly for her even post-friendship than any of the other friendships I’ve had gone down the drain in the past. These reactions, evidently, do not fit my normal pattern. Maybe I do feel something for her that is more than friendship? But if so, why did it not evolve until after that night? And why so much more intense after she rejected me and started to avoid me? And if she really has never been interested, why does she try to avoid the topic whenever I would bring it up in the past? (The two separate times I asked, before our last email exchange, if she was avoiding me because of that night, she was hesitant to answer and even ignored that particular question.) Was she afraid to answer the question? And what about that text four months later about “life not being fun without me?” She never offered an explanation for it and continued to act distant and cold towards me. I just want to know if I had imagined everything. Did she realize something about herself that night, that now she is projecting it on to me by avoiding me and acting strangely towards me? Or did she really feel something for me all along?
Thanks in advance for reading, and I appreciate all the feedback I can get.
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Now this is just my opinion so don’t kill the messenger just because I have an opinion. I think this was a new experience that got you excited and that is it. I don’t think you are gay or that you should start dating women. I think as far as your “friend” goes she also was experimenting. I think you should just remember the experince and let it go. Your being uncomfortable at her touch is a sign and so is her running away. If in the future you start to feel like you would like to be with a woman…find a lesbian and let her know upfront how you feel and your experiences and then go for it if thats what you want…but do not be forced to do anything you don’t want to do! If you don’t want to do something then don’t do it. Hope this helps you and it is only my opinion.
I’d have to agree with Donna, 100%. Sorry, I don’t have anything new to add. But yeah, just by reading your story, it doesn’t seem that there was any true, emotional connection between the 2 of you either (or maybe there’s more to the story). It just seems you both were having fun and perhaps got carried away that night. Her saying “life is not fun without you,” seems like she truly misses your friendship and the good times you both have had when you guys were out hitting the bars, being spontaneous etc.
Hi, thanks for responding. I’m pretty sure I’m not gay, and I’m pretty sure she isn’t either, so I guess I just wanted a second opinion, or at least another perspective on what was happening.
I forgot to mention that after I received that text from her, the next morning, she wrote me a long online message detailing that night. And the message really emphasized her sexuality. She said things like, “I had a crush on C. for months and realized he didn’t want a relationship, so it broke my little heart” and “I picked out a musician and made out with him for an hour right in front of C. to make him jealous.” The message was just really uncharacteristic of her, in the way she chose her words and phrases. Moreover, I remember this guy C. from when we were still friends, and she never made it known that she felt this strongly for him. So the whole text and message episode just made me think that she realized she had sent the text and then sent the message the next morning to reemphasize her sexuality to me. But the thing is, I just wanted to be her friend. I didn’t need her to prove her sexuality to me!
mmm… I’ve had a similar experience before. However, it was back a high school. I was living in a boarding house and on a drunken night, my best friend D. and I made out. It was in her room and I was UNSURE of everything. She was straight and so was I. The next day I said to her if we could pretend that nothing happened and she agreed. However, once it happened you know its there, and you really cant pretend anything. So the next weekend the same happened, and we decided to give it a go. The times that we got intimate I would stop my mind and think for a second “I cant believe this is really happening, am I a lesbian then? is that even possible, being straight for 18 years and now BOOM, GUESS WHAT, YOU ARENT!”
After that, I met another girl, she was a lesbian. Before anything, I decided to end it up with D. Believe it or not, I was hurt when I decided to end it up with her. And the major reason was because she was my closest friend and I found that I messed up by trying to experiment my sexuality.
She has distant from me ever since. I will still call her every now and then, but its clear to me that its not the same… and yeh, I will do anything if those nights didnt happen at all, at least I will still have a very good friend like her! (oooops… i think i got a bit carried away with my story…sorry!)
I dont wana say that you are gay. However, I think it is actually possible that you are curious at the moment and want to explore it a bit more!
And V. sending you that online message clearly shows that she is afraid to accept her feelings for you since she knows that you are (were)straight and she still managed to make the unnecessary effort to tell you that she is STRAIGHT TOO…(in other words, she tried too hard to emphasize her-being-”straight” point… so I really doubt she was THAT straight herself!)
Drunken text? they happen… I think there is a 50% chance that she really missed you. But again, I think she is too afraid to admit that she is somehow attracted to you.
Dont be so hard on yourself… You have done everything you could, you tried the soft way(sending her mails saying how good it was and to try and to be friends again at some point…) and you’ve tried the angry mail (actually telling her that it bothers you that her reaction is like that…) what else girl? just let it go… try ignoring her if she ever texts/mails you again… that might actually make her realise the importance of your friendship again. But I doubt that your friendship will be like before… (sorry for being pessimistic, its just that it didnt work out with me, and I understand why it didnt, so I just dont want you to keep your expectations too high!)
(and apologise for the long story above!!!)
I’m sorry to hear your story.
In my opinion the problem is that people try to define sexuality too much. I don’t think there is such a thing as straight or gay, there is human connection and love. It is natural that 2 close friends, regardless of their sexuality, could enjoy such intimate moments but I think what happened here is that your friend V. was afraid of what that meant and didn’t wanna think about it. I can understand that. I consider myself a lesbian, I fought my family, my community and my religion for the right to define myself as gay but there were times when I was drunk and I was vulernable and I was alone with my best guy friend and I thought of kissing him but that thought scared me so much not only bcuz I didn’t know what it meant but bcuz I was afraid that ppl would use that against me to “prove” that my homosexuality is all in my head and that I’m really straight under it all, now I find myself avoiding getting drunk with him even though I know that kissing him would not mean anything, I just dont wanna complicate things. So i’m sorry for you. It really sux to lose a friendship over something like this but you live and you learn. Good luck with all your future endeavors.
Hi t7k,
I think that both you and your friends were just drunk that night and got carried away. Many straigt people have made out with their friends at drunken moments. It definitely does not mean that either of you are gay. Unfortunately, what happened between you two just really freaked your friend out and she felt the need to separate from you. Which is obviously a shame because its not like you were trying to be her girlfriend or anything…
I actually think that the reason she freaked out so much is not because of anything you did but because she felt doubts about her sexuality. Usually when people feel the need to say they are not gay it means that there is doubt in there somewhere. Being friends with you after that happened might have triggered those feelings of doubt and if she is trying to be in denial about her bi-curious nature then it seems fitting for her to avoid you. Which really sucks for you because you just wanted your friend back! Anyway I am sorry that you are going through this, but your V obviously has some stuff to deal with right now. Maybe when she figures herself out and becomes comfortable again with her sexuality (which ever it may be) she’ll come around. In the mean time, live your life to the fullest and know that you did what you could to salvage the friendship.
I don’t really have much advice to give about the situation with V. because it seems you’ve already done as much as you could. You left the ball in her court but she hasn’t done anything with it, which makes me think she doesn’t want any type of a relationship with you right now. I partially think this is because she is not sure about what it is she really wants. You put yourself out there; you told her that no matter what you’d be there for her if and when she needed a friend. Until she’s ready to discover more about herself and what it is she’s looking for, there’s not much else you can do.
What you can do, however, is explore these curious feelings of yours. I know you said you’re pretty sure you’re not gay, but personally, I think you owe it to yourself to completely make sure because your feelings for V. were/are so strong. As a straight girl for the first 20 years of my life, when I initially felt the spark with my first girlfriend I must admit I was so scared at first. I didn’t know if the feelings I was having were wrong, but I knew that no one else had ever made me feel that way. It was an internal struggle, but once I finally accepted it myself life was absolutely incredible. It certainly has been a wild ride for me, but if I didn’t explore my feelings and find that it’s not about whether or not I’m with a girl or a guy, but rather that I’m with the right person for me, then I wouldn’t be as happy as I am today. So get out there…explore, live, laugh, love. I hope you find you’re paradise.
Hey t7k,
I think that you need to give it another try,bringing your friendship back to normal. Talk to her,tell her that you still think about her a lot,and that your friendship didn’t deserve this ending. She needs to put herself in your position,but you should do the same.You said that she’s insecure when it comes to sexual relationships,but strong-minded with her friends. Maybe she realized that the aspect of being with you was sth more than fun to her,but that way she wouldn’t feel comfortable being with you,like she was when you were friends. So,instead of ruining everything you’d built so far,maybe she wanted to just try to end it? Remind her of that “life’s not fun without you” and ask her what it meant. You need some answers and maybe she does too. She seems very confused like yourself.
I believe the term “scared straight” takes an effective and literal meaning regarding V’s feelings. It’s easy to label yourselves as straight; I’m sure the majority of the time you are both attracted to men. However, the chemistry between the two of you leads me to believe the attraction was well beyond a friendship. The two of you progressively became closer friends and whether conscious or not, began a “relationship.” This doesn’t mean somewhere in your minds you thought of the other as a girlfriend, but it does mean there was a strong bond.
Why this all came crashing down after something V herself initiated comes as no surprise. Like you said, V comes from a conservative background where homosexuality is not tolerated. Once she realized that she had some homosexual thoughts, the conservative brainwashing took hold. She knew in order to eliminate the thought of acting gay, she must eliminate temptation. You.
I’m sure it hurt her very much to not speak to you as much. I’m also confident she wished/wishes the two of you could be the bar-hoping friends you used to be. What happened that night was certainly the turning point of the relationship. Though she still denies it, citing “family problems,” that night or sometime directly after, she made the decision to cut you out of her life.
Bottom line, she misses you, but she has made the decision to live her life without you. Whether she gets the courage to come to terms with herself is a question I can’t answer (I’m not saying she’s gay). Until then, you won’t be hearing from her. A duplicate situation occured between two of my friends from high school. JA and JP were together 24/7 until JP’s mother got wind of their relationship. JP did the exact same thing to JA as V did to you. It took him 3 years to admit his mistake and apologize to JA. Figure youself out and don’t hold out hope for V. You are a good friend to her and did the right thing.
First of all, thank you all so much for taking the time to respond, and to offer your insights regarding my situation. Your generous help and your various perspectives have helped me greatly, mostly because it is quite refreshing not to have this story and the debates surrounding it swirling in my head anymore. Moreover, it is always nice to get the perspective of women who understand same-sex relationships. I could never get these opinions from my friends, for example. Anyway, I greatly appreciate your advice and opinions regarding my situation.
I think what I mainly wanted to know was whether I had imagined V’s distancing herself from me as the result of a homophobic reaction, or if it was indeed the case in reality. After assessing your various opinions, I have come to the conclusion that I’m not imagining it, and believe me, it comes as a great relief. Knowing this, I think I can finally begin to let go of the friendship and the situation. The reason for this is that I believe I have done everything I could to salvage this friendship. This was clearly a situation in which V found herself more uncomfortable than I did. I would be happy any day to discuss this with her and to move on from it, but unfortunately, the same cannot be said for her. Moreover, V has a tendency not to feel comfortable expressing her emotions, which leads me to believe that any more effort of “finding the truth” will only leave me empty-handed and even more hurt. It is just nice to hear that maybe I was not completely responsible for the demise of our friendship, which was something I had believed, more or less, all these months.
Frankly, I am tired of being hurt by her as a friend. I don’t see us ever becoming friends again because I doubt I will see her anymore after we graduate this week. It greatly saddens me to know that such a wonderful and fruitful friendship was destroyed by these insecurities and fears, but such is life. There is only so much that one person can do.
Thank you all again.